Post by serendipity on Jan 9, 2021 13:01:06 GMT -5
Regular injectable Banamine works transdermal too. My vet has been recommended using it that way for years. I use under the tongue before disbudding and castrating goats or if needed to bring down a high fever. Have also used it that way once on a horse with mild colic and it worked great.
Obviously I have no idea about milk withdrawal used that way, but it is an easy way to use it.
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Post by simplynaturalfarm on Jan 10, 2021 15:08:19 GMT -5
They do not allow Im or sub q because of volatile residues in meat and milk . A single injection has 30 day withdrawal, multiple injections require 60+ days and it is illegal to use Im or sub q - often off label stuff is allowed in certain cases, in banamine, sub q or Im is actually illegal.
Farad has established a 60+ day withdrawal on sub q and inj, but when it comes to milk and multiple injections especially done im or sub q they require you to test as it can have volatile milk withdrawals. A single injection requires 96 hours, multiple can be crazy to get below 2 which is the allowed threshold.
Obviously most won't die from a single infraction (is death seriously the standard we are holding things to? 🙄) But consuming things with drug residues is not a healthy choice and I'm often surprised by how blase people are about it when they are incensed to hear the same drugs used conventional operations and consider it a big deal . Not saying this is everybody's attitudes, but it isn't a rare attitude
Shawn, if you gave once, junk milk for at least 96 hours.
Post by mommasquilts on Jan 10, 2021 15:36:34 GMT -5
Death is not my threshold 😉 but the reason I posted this is that Banamine is a common suggestion around here and it never occurred to me that there was a milk hold on it. I’m sure there are others that had no clue. I’ve never given it IM or SQ. Transdermal is a pour on liquid that is poured down the back similar to other pour on meds. I’ve always heard of IV or PO.
Shawn, if you gave once, junk milk for at least 96 hours.
This has been something I've always wanted to know. (asking for education here)
If a cow hasn't even bagged up to calve and she gets banamine (generic in this case) how can it be in her milk when she bags up a month later? I always thought the toss the milk suggestion was for a currently lactating cow??
Yes they do, cows at work go in a separate pen if they get treated with something that has a milk withhold and their milk goes down the drain, the pipe is unhooked from the tank. We have a charm tester and each cow on antibiotics is tested before going back in the line. Though we don't have headlocks in the sick pen or parlors so we can't do IV unless it's for milk fever and they are pretty dopey, so they do end up getting banamine IM but we use it sparingly. Also every treatment goes in the computer (my job) so if something is getting culled they are checked to be sure there isn't any meat withholds on them.
I had a vet give banamine IM to a bloated cow. I asked about milk withdrawal, and he actually had no idea. He certainly never mentioned that the IM was off label.
I did not like it at the time, but as I've learned more about Banamine, I am even more concerned.
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Post by simplynaturalfarm on Jan 10, 2021 22:27:06 GMT -5
I'm surprised your dairy guys don't do withhold - bulk tanks are routinely checked for drugs and serious fines for it, including repercussions for vets. They have actually done the research and testing on flunix and others and found the long withdrawals - it's why they are called volatile residues. There are some drugs that they have found residue 18 months later. Believe me, there is zero incentive to have an unnecessary long withdrawal after they've had years of testing showing why they can't do it im, sub q etc. They made it that long after years of residues and even now find high % of residues, but if you are found doing it, it's a big deal.
Most of us won't have a problem with residues, but it can be an issue for those already on the drugs, it can cause damage to liver and many other issues.
Also if an animal is repeatedly dosed with drugs it can effect their liver and ability to remove the drugs and the withdrawal periods don’t even cover them.
At the feedlot records were always kept so if an animal tests positive for residue they could be looked back on and seen 1) When it received the drugs 2) If it was a chronic that had multiple treatments that would explain why it still had residue after the proper time.
I think Banamine was only approved fairly recently for use in dairy cows - so I think many farms used it in past decades without knowing a withdrawal time (and off label at that, which is so incredibly irresponsible for a commercial dairy). It's available by Rx only - vets need to stay up to date on approved drugs and proper withdrawal times!
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Withdrawals change based on what is found at packers and milk tests.
Excenel is one that I think used to be 0 day withdrawal for meat and they increased it to 4 days. It was showing up too much.
If Banamine was a lower withdrawal but there were a lot of instances of it being found in residues then they would increase it's withdrawal time. If people were using it off label frequently this could have been a contributing factor but the residue tests don't say how the drug was used, just that it's there.
Drugs with lower withdrawals are preferred a lot of the time so there's no reason to arbitrarily make them longer with nothing to back them up.
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