Post by babyboy1mom on Oct 10, 2010 14:18:51 GMT -5
I am so glad that things have calmed down for you and your new cow. Things will only continue to improve from here on out. Just keep the routine the same and she will learn from you what is exspected of her. Congrats.
Post by Kathleen (Southforte Farms) on Oct 10, 2010 15:19:01 GMT -5
Hang on! Everyone more experienced has given great advice, and I can just add my sympathy to another newbie. It won't always be this hard. Tell yourself to get through the first week, milking two or three times a day (our hands got tired and we were afraid we weren't stripping her out well--so we went to 3x for the first weekend.) and then you'll look back and see how much easier it has gotten.
Best wishes! Kathleen
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I am milking faster (took me about 1/2 hr this morning) but she is still really misbehaving- she kicked the bucket 5 times and pooped 3x and urinated. I can't figure out if I should be patient with her because she is so scared and usure or to tie off her kicking foot and tie down her tail to forestall the urination and poop. ??
She's probably pooping and peeing out of nervousness and because she still isn't used to the routine. If possible, do other chores before milking and wait for her to empty herself out. I would also keep a bucket by her hind end so you can jump up and catch anything she let's loose- I have to do this every time my cow freshens until we get back into the milking routine. Tying her tail won't help, she'll just poop and pee around it (trust me, I've experienced it!).
As for the kicking, shove her leg back down, slap it, and say NO. It's probably part fear, part impatience, as machine milking takes about 10 minutes. I would give her more time before you start tying back a foot or using a belly rope because she is already upset and milking needs to be a pleasant experience so she'll settle down.
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Post by Nonesuch Melissa on Oct 12, 2010 4:48:13 GMT -5
There is kicking and then there is KICKING... if she is just lifting a leg or brushing at you with a hoof I'd get in really close to milk and when she picks up the foot shove down with your left elbow (I milk from the right) and simultaneously push her off balance with the top of your head in her flank.... hoping you can picture this.
If the kicking is vicious (she takes aim and lets it fly seeming to want to tear your face off) I would get a kick-stop, flank rope, etc. on her immediately. A cow kick to the head can kill you and bravery under fire in this situation is foolishness.
The bucket under the tail is a necessity in the case of a pee-er or pooper. It is just too big a mess to have to clean up... Set it right behind her and when she arches her back move your milk pail far forward of any possible splash and slide the waste bucket up behind her to catch whatever she is dropping. I keep a damp towel rung out with soapy water handy to quickly wash hands and resume milking- or in times I am not prepared I spray my hands with my post milking udder spray and wipe them on my trusty barn skirt Sometimes just the noise of the urine hitting the bucket is enough to deter them from doing it again... if not I also give a sharp "NO!" when she arches her back to pee. I would wait a few days to start this so you don't shake her up even more on top of the new routine. A good time to start might be when she comes to her milking place on her own. Sometimes cows pee as a part of the letdown reflex, especially right after calving, I don't like to punish for something that they might not be able to help but I do like to remind that I do not appreciate it and make provision for quick clean up so that it does not make me upset like the anticipation of having to scrape watery poo soup off the stanchion floor does
It will take determination and time but soon you cow will be the perfect house cow and it will be worth it all Good for you for sticking it out with her, what a team! ;D
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When you start to break her to lead. Attach a long cotton rope to her halter and let her drag it around for a couple of weeks even a month. When she steps on the rope it will teach her to give to pressure which will make leading alot easier. I did this with a colt who was two and had never been touched. He learned real well this way also I am doing this with a guernsey heifer now. But make sure there is not much in the pasture to get tangled on. Also when milking you can have a helper pull her tail straight up and hold it laid over her back, my husband says that takes em out of kicking gear.
Post by Dianne Ader on Oct 12, 2010 21:45:54 GMT -5
I am sorry about your hard start! I am glad the milking is going better. You really had great advice given to you. I am proud of you for sticking to it! Hurray!!! You milked her! I hope she is not kicking to hurt you. I find that if they are not kicking to hurt someone & just lifting their leg to stop you from milking that if you sit as close to her as possible, that when she lifts her leg, you can push her leg away with your left arm & sort of grab her leg & as she is putting her leg down you move it further than your bucket. Also if you want to save the milk take out a small tub .Then milk in that & dump it often so that if she lifts her leg it wont matter cause she wouldn't spoil the all the milk. I think the waste bucket is a fantastic idea & I have read others that use it. Hurray for husbands that can build a stantion for their wife!!! Hope all is going well! & you are enjoying yummy milk & cream! One more thing is your cows name Cindy?
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Larry & Dianne Ader
Post by jerseylovinliz on Oct 12, 2010 22:46:38 GMT -5
Hope things are going better for you guys today! I'd have to politely disagree w/the leaving the rope dragging suggestion, personally. I dropped a rope & while my girl was walking away she stepped on it & pinched under her chin. It took quite a big chunk of flesh off (it was terrible, got infected, flies flies & more flies eating away at it, NASTY). She's tame & really sweet. She wasn't trying to run away or anything we were just messing around, brushing up on her halter/leading manners. Corrie/Cindy (I can't remember her name, I'm sorry) is your cow & you guys need to do what's right for y'all. Just sharing an experience I had.
Also, maybe take two buckets when you go to milk her. That way if you get some clean/good milk you can dump it or switch buckets. Then if she pees or plops it won't splatter in the good milk or kicks & hits the bucket. They have great aim don't they?!!
Hang in there!
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Yes- he name is Cindy- I should have said that off the bat! She is not trying to hurt me by kicking, she just moves her leg way back for a bit so I have to move the bucket back- and then swiftly brings it foward into the bucket sending it flying foward splashing milk every where and since she is peeing and pooing all the time (really- from about 10 min. into the milking and on and on and on- they sure have a lot in there huh?) she often splatters it into the bucket. The bucket I milk into is actually a deep pan and I do pour it off every 5min. or so into the bigger bucket until it gets something in it and then I won't use any more milk. Cindy's udder is so low I can't milk into the bigger bucket- thats why I started with the pan and now I am glad I did- except that milk splashes out of it so easy and gross stuff splashes in so easy. I thought we were getting along better yesterday- but then today she danced all over for milking. Backwards, fowards, shifting to the left then the right... I had to forsake my stool as I grew very concerned she might knock me over off the stool and so I squated and moved around constantly. Irritating! Then this evening she was acting wierd. After I fed her some alfalfa in her stanchion (I didn't milk her, just trying to fatten her up) Cindy tried to get past me to where she could see the doorway out (no door, just a dorrway) and it took quite a bit of prodding to get her to go to her stall. When I got some hay to bring into her stall she wouldn't move backward for me and tried to eat the hay out of my arms. I pushed the hay toward her to get her to back up and then shoved her in the shoulder but she butted me and swung her head back and forth and wouldn't give ground. I didn't want to start a confrontation I wouldn't win and she could have hurt me with the gate behind me, so I threw the hay over to where it should be, waited for her to turn and go for it and then left. I left feeling shaky and I hate feeling this way. But for all that said I do need to let you know we had some incredible Chicken Scallopini tonight with Cindy's cream- so Ive got something good to hang onto! THANKS AGAIN for all the help- I am so grateful when I come on here and read more advise and encouragement!!!
Both of my girls came from the dairy. Cookie had been broken in by other's but I bought Sally directly from the dairy (picked her out and up myself) She did much better after her first two calves than she has this freshening... very kicky this time around because she had edema so bad. If you look back in the post on edema I posted the pictures of a makeshift chute that we devised out of corall panels. I also use a 'cows kant kick' device for now til she's less kicky (ONLY WHILE she's in the chute.. they can fall over if they aren't used to it).... but it works like a charm for the girls til the get with the program.
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