Post by riaforever on Nov 14, 2012 21:20:01 GMT -5
I have a 4 year old jersey cow (Jenny), which I’ve had for about a month an a half. She got phenomena/shipping fever less than a week after I got her. She was on deaths door, but thanks to my vet who gave her a miracle antibiotic she recovered and was doing great. Giving about a gallon every time I milked her (once a day) eating grass, and clover hay, and the grain that I gave her each time I milked her. But this evening when I went out to milk her she wouldn’t eat any of her grain and she hadn’t eaten any clover hay I’d given her that morning. Normally she would go nuts for her grain and her clover hay was always gone. She isn’t breathing strange at all and doesn’t seem to have lost any weight and her nose and eyes are not heavily goopy???? I’m so worried!! I thought that all the sickness was over with! Please help me….I have no clue what could be wrong with my jersey!
Post by riaforever on Nov 14, 2012 21:59:01 GMT -5
I don't know what it means to check her Ketones? I'm very much a newbie to all this. I haven't checked her temperature but I will soon. She doesn't seem to have diarrhea but I haven't been around her enough to see if she has been peeing much or drinking. I don't actually now if she is in heat. Sorry I'm just inexperienced! Thank you! I'll keep coming with updates!
sometimes cows get ketosis. it is when they are not burning carbs for energy but protein is being used. if you have any molasses or karo syrup put a cup or even two in a bucket. add water to about 3 gallons. offer this to her and see if she will drink it if she does go get more. there are products for this and you could call the vet also. not eating for a day for a milk cow is not good. so we ask these questions to get an idea of her status. so is her poop loose and runny or more like biscuit dough. is she drinking water. is she up or down. is she peeing? at the drug store you can get ketone strips for people. you need to wiggle her vulva with a stick or something. as you jiggle it they will usually pee. put the test strip in her stream of urine. then compare the color on the stick with the guide on the container. any positive result even small matters. they can get sick quick. if it does show positive get more carbs in her if you can. sugar water will help if you dont have syrup. let us know how she is. hugs to you. in the tree of knowledge there is info on ketosis. it would help you to read up on it.
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Post by farmeratheart on Nov 14, 2012 22:14:48 GMT -5
To check ketones you need Ketostix or strips that you can buy at the drugstore or pharmacy. You test her urine with the strip and there is a color code on the box. To tell if she is in heat there are several indicators. Pacing the fenceline, bellowing, mounting other cows and standing still for them to mount her. If she is in heat she will be back to normal in a day or two.
I asked the waiter, 'Is this milk fresh?' He said, 'Lady, three hours ago it was grass.'
Ketosis is the result of breaking down body fat, not protein. High protein causes the cow to break down body fat - think Adkins Diet. Breaking down body fat releases Ketones, cows need carbs to process Ketones. Just because it doesn't show on the Ketone stick doesn't mean that a cow doesn't have Ketosis - depending on the cow and her diet, she may not have detectable levels of Ketones but still be in mortal danger from Ketosis - the Merck Manual explains it real well.
Basically, anytime a cow is not eating/losing weight, no matter what the sticks say, she IS ketotic and needs carbs.
Post by pipergrey93 on Nov 15, 2012 7:09:02 GMT -5
What Ann Said. Do however get the ketone strips, you will need them for some time to check her progress or lack off. Ketosis usually takes a long time for cows to completely come back from. Sandy
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Post by riaforever on Nov 15, 2012 10:47:54 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for being so helpful! I really appreciate it! This morning I took her temperature and it was 99.64 F...is this to low? I really don't know what temperature is normal for a cow. Her poop this morning wasn't runny but it wasn't like biscuit dough. It looked normal to me. This morning I was really happy to see that, when I got her in stanchion so I could get her temperature she started to nibble at the grain left in her feeder from the night before. She just ate a few bites and stopped. Is this a good thing?? I will be getting some Ketosis strips this morning as soon as possible and I will also see if she will drink any molasses water. I also am pretty sure she's not in heat. I didn't see her pee either. I'll keep everyone updated! Thanks again!!!
It's the time of year for pneumonia. Could she be getting sick again? Can you describe her breathing more?
Once a cow has had lung damage, it's permanent, so you will probably fight bouts of sickness like this for the rest of her life, on and off. Keep her in a dry, well ventilated, clean area as much as possible when the weather is bad. She might need some banamine (painkiller) to get her eating and keep her going until she improves. Also, your vet can IV Dextrose (he/she might say that's not necessary, but the most important thing to a sick cow is ENERGY and that's what Dextrose provides, readily available into the bloodstream if given IV). You can add 5-10 cc of B complex vitamins to the bottle of Dextrose before giving it, which will also do a lot for her energy.
Post by riaforever on Nov 15, 2012 21:35:46 GMT -5
Good evening everyone When I went out to milk Jenny this evening she seemed no different really expect for she was eating her grain a little. She wasn't breathing any harder. I tried to get her to pee for me so I could get the Ketosis test, and I could not for the life of me get her to pee! Could anybody give me advice on how to get her to pee. And it looked like she had drunk some of the molasses water, and hay that I have her. When I checked on her during the day I always saw her eating grass. Btw- rosalind...she has not been bred.
As sad as it is, I'm pretty sure that if I can't heal her with natural medicine then I won't be able to save her since I don't have the money for another vet visit, or antibiotics. If she does die I still want to try with another cow though! Thanks for all your great advice everyone this site has been such a blessing to me! I will post tomorrow with another update, Lord willing!
Last Edit: Nov 15, 2012 21:36:40 GMT -5 by riaforever
Post by suzysunshine on Nov 15, 2012 21:52:51 GMT -5
Hi, I understand not being able to call the vet. I do know you can get tetracyclene and sulmet at the feed store. Both are antibiotics but I dont know the dosage. I used the tetra for my goats, about a teaspoon 3x a day and sulmet in the water for my chickens(not using the eggs for 3days after). Any chance she has bloat? Give her a bowl with baking soda(cheapat grocery always have on hand) if she has bloat starting she will eat it and move the bloat out. I always leave a pot full in the run in shed and just add to it once in a while. Maybe at the feed store someone can tell you how to use the tetra for the cow. Another thing I keep on hand is a jar of probiotics from the feed store to give them any time I want to make sure the stomach is OK. It works like Activia. Most all the stuff humans use is the same for the animals just the dosage is different. I hope this helps.
I have never met a vet that expected payment up front for a farm call, they always send a bill and will accept payments.
When we take on animals (of any species) it is our responsibility to provide for ALL of their needs, including veterinary care. A vet is a LOT cheaper than a new cow. Plus - if you don't get to the bottom of this and this cow dies, you haven't learned anything so the next cow is no better off, and may succumb to the same thing.
There are some of us who rarely call a vet - but we have years of experience, years of having called the vet and being taught what to do in that particular situation. For example, I don't call a vet for primary Ketosis - the vet held my hand through a bad case of Ketosis back in 2001 and I can handle it myself/prevent it now. I also don't call the vet for uterine infections - I'm an AI Tech, I can deal with a uterine infection as well as the vet and he knows it (maybe better, I can do uterine infusions, he can't).
I DO call the vet when I don't recognize what's going on, when my treatment is obviously not working, or when I need prescription drugs.
Even the most expensive vet is cheaper than a new cow - and you can pick his brain for information, building your own store of knowledge to pull from in the future.
If you have a vet you trust. My experience with vets is sad - they often shrug and say "I don't know" and then give some random thing so they don't leave me empty handed. I've had better luck finding out what's wrong with my own animals off the internet, then have had to argue with the vets about what's wrong (and they find out I'm right).
Like the current one who won't work on my animals without a $2000+ squeeze chute and can't get a blood draw from a very tame goat. I don't think many farmers around here rely on vets, because he's rated one of the better ones in the area, sadly.
I'd still call him if one of my cows was *very* sick tho or in labor and not progressing.
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Post by riaforever on Nov 16, 2012 13:12:06 GMT -5
This morning I went out and got the Ketosis sample, and it was negative so, I'm very relived about that!! Her temperature was 97.6 so I don't know what to think about that? It seems really low. She seemed really great though besides that. It looked like she had drunk almost all the molasses water and hay I gave her. So I gave her more of both those. She is also eating some grain and grass! So maybe she is on the mend! I really hope so! Thanks everyone for all your great advice and help. I really appreciate it!
See if you can tempt her with things she really likes, small amounts of treats, like favourite leaves, veges or some bread. A tiny bit of a lot of different things can add up to a decent meal :-)
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A cow with a 97.6 temp would be in shock, probably down, and rapidly traveling to the Great Pasture in the Sky. What kind of thermometer are you using? If a standard mercury one, make sure you shake it down, leave it in long enough, and read it accurately. If you're using a digital thermometer, make sure it is in far enough and against the wall of the rectum. If operator error can be ruled out, you need to make a call to your veterinarian.
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