Post by ironwoodfarm on Apr 29, 2008 9:54:11 GMT -5
Has anyone either charged or paid a stud fee recently? Just trying to get an idea of how much to charge for Fin's services. I'm thinking that there should be a flat fee for the stud service, and then boarding would either be added if the cow comes here or subtracted if the bull goes there. Any thoughts? Oh, he's a registered mini-jersey and proven, thanks to Shalali's Janie.
Post by buxombeefcowdairy on Apr 29, 2008 12:30:55 GMT -5
I would start with the idea that AI breeding (with, say, an average of 2 breedings per conception) might cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $100, with semen $25/straw, and AI service at $25 each, which would actually be a pretty low estimate unless you can breed the cow yourself. I don't know what Mini-Jersey semen costs, so if there are not 2 or 3 bulls available at that price, you would have to adjust.
Keep in mind that as an alternative, you could find and substitute a bull of almost ANY imaginable breed (Angus, Aryshire, Brahman, Longhorn, Zebu!) that is a proven sire for $15 or less. Although shipping can be expensive, any regional semen company rep will have a lot of choices already in the tank to breed a cow. My point here is that some people may really want Mini-Jersey, but many alternatives are available and inexpensive.
Having a daughter, especially in production, is nice but it actually takes a LOT of offspring (observed and measured) to make a sire 'Proven'. This is simply a matter of statistics. Remember that Janie got half of her genetic material from the cow.
People that I know that used to send their llama stud out for service did charge a stud fee (no idea what they charged for that) but they never paid board when he 'went visiting' for a few weeks.
You may consider having a conversation with a vet about what kinds of diseases a bull could come home with, and spread. Then you could have an idea about whether you want to have any testing done on the cow before sending him her way. A stud fee would not likely make up for the loss of your bull's reproductive health. Although many family cows live a pretty isolated (disease-wise) life, this is a risk that you should probably consider.
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Post by ironwoodfarm on Apr 29, 2008 14:42:49 GMT -5
That's all excellent advice, thanks! Yeah, after I typed it I thought I might have been using the word "proven" a little too loosely. What does it really mean, anyhow? That a bull has sired many heifers? What I meant was that it is certain that he is fertile because Janie has been successfully bred by him.
I know, the disease issue is a big one. I need to think about/research that more. Thanks for the advice.
Post by buxombeefcowdairy on Apr 29, 2008 15:34:14 GMT -5
A proven sire, of any species, is one whose genetic traits are known. For example, a stallion's offspring might be really fast, with cow sense, small and hot tempered and hard to break- meaning you would do best to use him on a mare whose strengths 'cover' his weaknesses. For a bull, he might sire smaller calves, smaller mature size, and cows that breed back easily but don't raise as large a calf, so he would be good bred to a big cow who milks a lot but maybe has trouble breeding back.
These are all hypothetical examples, but anyway if there are a lot of offspring, you will find out what a sire does consistently, so both strengths and weaknesses can be taken into account on his matings.
Fertility, unfortunately, can't be proven by a previous mating. That will show that he was fertile back then, and most fertile bulls continue to be fertile, but a fever can temporarily render him sterile. Frostbite or injury can permanently affect fertility, so you either need a current/recent pregnancy or a fertility exam to show fertility.
Goog luck, and I hope I've answered your questions.
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Post by davendahlonega on Apr 30, 2008 22:13:29 GMT -5
I was looking into leasing a Bull for my Dexter's and was quoted $300 for 3 mo. by the first three breeders. I was able to negotiate that down with two of them fairly easy though. I ended up buying a young bull from a different breeder. He is currently loaned out to the lady that sold me my girls.
I took my cow and had her bred, she stayed 45 days and I was charged $150 flat fee. Beware if you take your cow somewhere and leave her, my cow lost about 150 lbs while there due to lack of feed, and I am still fighting to put weight on her. Also ask if the bull or other cattle are vaccinated and tested.
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Mini Jersey semen is $50-$75 per straw -- I'm the only person in the country selling semen from an AMJA&R Registered bull for $25 (Pyle not only needs more calves on the ground, but I have a limit on the number of straws I can store and had to make room for new purchases).
As Buxom pointed out, there's a LOT more to consider when studding a bull than just the fee. He can easily pick up a venereal disease, or come down with something that the cow is immune to but he's never been exposed to. If he goes to someone else's farm and gets out -- who's responsible? If the cow comes to your place and gets out -- who's responsible? What if the bull goes to her place, isn't happy, and tears up her fencing? Gets out and is never seen again? Or kills her dog? Or chases her child? Same with her cow at your place. If an animal gets on the road and gets hit by a car -- one of you will have to pay for the damages. And if one has to pay due to the other's negligence, it won't be a happy transaction. Most insurance companies won't pay for any damages caused someone else's animal housed on your property.
Really, if you want Fin's genes to pass along to more than just a few cows, you should consider collecting him and selling his semen -- a LOT less liability, and if you have the health testing done on the bull beforehand, then there is NO liability with semen sales.
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