Post by donahue12inchrist on Feb 4, 2010 13:28:12 GMT -5
FWIW
An email cow-friend/acquaintance forwarded this to me. I asked her if I could share and her response follows the original communication. I personally know so little about this and understand even less, but with all the talk of late, this sounded reasonable, local, low cost and therefor very "doable" to me.
"I’m sending this to Guernsey breeders and dairies in hopes of speeding up the availability of A2 milk. I have figured out an alternative way to test your milk locally, and no, I won’t make a penny out of it. I’ve worked in alternative health care for 20 years, so when I read the ACRES USA story about A1/A2 beta-casein, a whole lot of puzzle pieces fell into place for me. My immediate reaction was to try to buy a Guernsey cow to save myself and a few friends. After a week of researching, I decided that wasn’t enough, I wanted to save everyone. I have a friend with reliable stomach upset from cow’s milk but not goat milk, and she agreed that when I found a cow for sale, she’d test the milk for me. Then I got to thinking I could get my chiropractor to muscle test her for milk samples. And then I remembered there are machines that allergy test electronically. I knew of one in a small town nearby and called the owner.
I said I was familiar with machines like hers, and wondered if she got a lot of people with bad reactions to cow milk. She said yes, but when I asked about goat milk, she was surprised, and said that now that I mentioned it, she hardly ever saw goat milk come up as a problem.
So I explained to her about the Devil in the Milk and of course the concept was brand new to her like everyone else I’ve talked to. Then I asked it I brought her an “allergic” person, and 2 samples of milk, one that was good for the person and one bad, could her machine tell the difference? She said no problem. So I asked, “Could you do a hundred samples?” I could hear her surprise. “You don’t want me to treat the person?” “No, just test the samples.” She said, “Fifteen minutes to set up, I don’t know, maybe $2.50 per sample.” She charges $150 for a 90 minute session, that’s 60 samples in 90 minutes or 90 seconds apiece. I’ll bet that milk samples could be run as fast as a vial can be set on the test plate, picked up and scribbled “good” or “bad” on.
I explained to her that the first thing we needed to do was to “Test the test”, ie to find out if it really worked. I asked could I drop off 10-20 milk samples for her to check for free. She said yes, but added, “Now, it won’t be certified.” I said I understood that, and then she said, “Well, actually you might say that all the milk was tested on a QXCI machine for allergenic effects.”
I thought that sounded pretty neat, but now that I think about it, it would be unwise to make any claims at all. Word of mouth among the support groups for autistic kids and celiac support, Crohn’s Disease and other conditions adversely affected by “cow’s milk” would do quite well for creating a demand. But you’d do best to start very small and cheap, maybe with used equipment from goat dairies. All you need is to pasteurize, package, and store whole milk. Contact health food stores and small groceries to carry it for you. Put a couple old chest freezers on a trailer to haul the stuff, or make the purchaser come to you. I have been in buying clubs where members went to extraordinary lengths to get the products they wanted or needed.
That’s all for now, I just wanted to give you all something to think about.
Below is the response to my request to share the information:
"Stephanie, Yes, yes, PLEASE share this info around. Can you forward responses to me? Or should I join the group too? I've joined so many groups trying to spread the word, I'm reluctant to join more, which is why I'd like you just to keep me informed. I'll be happy to answer questions too, though I might be a little slow as I'm not here at the office every day.
I think for someone who just wants to test one cow, or maybe 3 Jerseys (1/3 of Jerseys are A2A2) they might want to pay the machine operator for their time, unless you just drop it off and ask them to try it on someone they are already testing to see if it comes up as bad as the standard version of cow's milk. A vial of fresh milk should last a week or so if kept in the fridge, and there should be plenty of "allergic" people come through their office in that period of time. For someone with a small dairy, the people who are telling patients to quit dairy products can become a source of captive customers. I get headaches from cow milk and cheese, so I can either buy $$$ goat milk and cheese from the grocery, buy a milk goat again (we have a couple fainting goats for brush control) or buy milk from the one Guernsey cow I have found. I did everything in my power to give myself a headache last week with the 2 gallons of milk I bought. The Devil in the Milk book says that heating milk up and holding it hot (like the old Holder pasteurization method) releases a whole lot of the BCM7 peptide, and the NO MILK book says the worst combination is chocolate and milk for a bad headache. So I heated milk slowly and held it on the woodstove to make hot chocolate day after day, no headaches. You can do it using a person to sample the milk, or someone to muscle test (sometimes employees at local health food stores have practice doing this for customers who request it) but for any kind of quantity you will want one of these machines to do it. At first I thought they'd only ID "good" or "bad" but A1A1 samples should sort of redline the machine. Also Dr. Cowan says that the BCM7 is in the animal's blood too, so I think you can test heifers and bulls too. I want feedback, as much as possible."
An email cow-friend/acquaintance forwarded this to me. I asked her if I could share and her response follows the original communication. I personally know so little about this and understand even less, but with all the talk of late, this sounded reasonable, local, low cost and therefor very "doable" to me.
"I’m sending this to Guernsey breeders and dairies in hopes of speeding up the availability of A2 milk. I have figured out an alternative way to test your milk locally, and no, I won’t make a penny out of it. I’ve worked in alternative health care for 20 years, so when I read the ACRES USA story about A1/A2 beta-casein, a whole lot of puzzle pieces fell into place for me. My immediate reaction was to try to buy a Guernsey cow to save myself and a few friends. After a week of researching, I decided that wasn’t enough, I wanted to save everyone. I have a friend with reliable stomach upset from cow’s milk but not goat milk, and she agreed that when I found a cow for sale, she’d test the milk for me. Then I got to thinking I could get my chiropractor to muscle test her for milk samples. And then I remembered there are machines that allergy test electronically. I knew of one in a small town nearby and called the owner.
I said I was familiar with machines like hers, and wondered if she got a lot of people with bad reactions to cow milk. She said yes, but when I asked about goat milk, she was surprised, and said that now that I mentioned it, she hardly ever saw goat milk come up as a problem.
So I explained to her about the Devil in the Milk and of course the concept was brand new to her like everyone else I’ve talked to. Then I asked it I brought her an “allergic” person, and 2 samples of milk, one that was good for the person and one bad, could her machine tell the difference? She said no problem. So I asked, “Could you do a hundred samples?” I could hear her surprise. “You don’t want me to treat the person?” “No, just test the samples.” She said, “Fifteen minutes to set up, I don’t know, maybe $2.50 per sample.” She charges $150 for a 90 minute session, that’s 60 samples in 90 minutes or 90 seconds apiece. I’ll bet that milk samples could be run as fast as a vial can be set on the test plate, picked up and scribbled “good” or “bad” on.
I explained to her that the first thing we needed to do was to “Test the test”, ie to find out if it really worked. I asked could I drop off 10-20 milk samples for her to check for free. She said yes, but added, “Now, it won’t be certified.” I said I understood that, and then she said, “Well, actually you might say that all the milk was tested on a QXCI machine for allergenic effects.”
I thought that sounded pretty neat, but now that I think about it, it would be unwise to make any claims at all. Word of mouth among the support groups for autistic kids and celiac support, Crohn’s Disease and other conditions adversely affected by “cow’s milk” would do quite well for creating a demand. But you’d do best to start very small and cheap, maybe with used equipment from goat dairies. All you need is to pasteurize, package, and store whole milk. Contact health food stores and small groceries to carry it for you. Put a couple old chest freezers on a trailer to haul the stuff, or make the purchaser come to you. I have been in buying clubs where members went to extraordinary lengths to get the products they wanted or needed.
That’s all for now, I just wanted to give you all something to think about.
Below is the response to my request to share the information:
"Stephanie, Yes, yes, PLEASE share this info around. Can you forward responses to me? Or should I join the group too? I've joined so many groups trying to spread the word, I'm reluctant to join more, which is why I'd like you just to keep me informed. I'll be happy to answer questions too, though I might be a little slow as I'm not here at the office every day.
I think for someone who just wants to test one cow, or maybe 3 Jerseys (1/3 of Jerseys are A2A2) they might want to pay the machine operator for their time, unless you just drop it off and ask them to try it on someone they are already testing to see if it comes up as bad as the standard version of cow's milk. A vial of fresh milk should last a week or so if kept in the fridge, and there should be plenty of "allergic" people come through their office in that period of time. For someone with a small dairy, the people who are telling patients to quit dairy products can become a source of captive customers. I get headaches from cow milk and cheese, so I can either buy $$$ goat milk and cheese from the grocery, buy a milk goat again (we have a couple fainting goats for brush control) or buy milk from the one Guernsey cow I have found. I did everything in my power to give myself a headache last week with the 2 gallons of milk I bought. The Devil in the Milk book says that heating milk up and holding it hot (like the old Holder pasteurization method) releases a whole lot of the BCM7 peptide, and the NO MILK book says the worst combination is chocolate and milk for a bad headache. So I heated milk slowly and held it on the woodstove to make hot chocolate day after day, no headaches. You can do it using a person to sample the milk, or someone to muscle test (sometimes employees at local health food stores have practice doing this for customers who request it) but for any kind of quantity you will want one of these machines to do it. At first I thought they'd only ID "good" or "bad" but A1A1 samples should sort of redline the machine. Also Dr. Cowan says that the BCM7 is in the animal's blood too, so I think you can test heifers and bulls too. I want feedback, as much as possible."